Introduction to Supplement
issued 1985. (written by Ronald Medlicott)
“The following pages compiled by R.F. Medlicott of Beechwood House, Great Hockham, Thetford, Norfolk. are intended to be incorporated in “The Family of Medlicott” a history of some 119 pages started and pursued over many years by my grandfather Henry Edmonstone Medlicott (1840 to 1816), continued by my father Colonel Henry Edward Medlicott (1882 – 1948) and by myself. This was put together and issued in 1938 to nine persons outside our immediate family including Medlicotts in New Zealand, Trinidad, and California.
The purpose of the supplement is to include information which was already known but not included and also new information and corrections. I have numbered the pages to correspond with the original page numbers of the history with the Suffix “A” to distinguish them. The most important from a genealogical point of view is a correction to the genealogy of the Dunmurry branch giving full reasons on which it is based. For this I am greatly indebted to Mr Mervyn Medlicott of Sandford Orcas, Dorset. and his version was accepted by Burkes Peerage for their publication in “Burkes Irish Family Records” in 1976. This article on the family combines for the first time the Rocketts Castle and Dunmurry branches and is the most up to date and authoritative account of the Irish Branches.
I must apologise for the fact that both the original publication and these notes are heavily unbalanced in favour of the particular branch to which I belong and this arises from the availability of information. I particularly regret that I have insufficient information to expand the references to what I take to be the senior branch of the family namely that which used to appear in Burkes Landed Gentry under “Medlicott formerly of Medlicott” and which is now represented by Mr Edward Medlicott of Sacombe Hall, Herts.
It may be of interest to add to the discussion of the origin of surnames on the foregoing page the remarks of C.W. Bardsley in his book “English Surnames” (Chatto & Windus 1906).
Adopting more or less the same classification of origins (Baptismal, or Personal, Local, Official, Occupative, Sobriquet or Nicknames) the author observes that from an analysis made of 30325 names local names predominate with 11360 followed by baptismal with 8203.
He goes on to refer to refer to a “Distich quoted by old Vestigan” namely “In ford, in ham, in ley, in ton the most of English surnames run”. Ley could of course have relevance to the derivation of the name Medlicott if the middle syllable of the place name was originally “ley”. (See also page 6).
The author goes on to make an unjustified assumption on page 438 of his work in which he refers to nicknames related to garments (as in the case of King Henry II nicknamed “Curtmantel”). He goes on to state “The variegated dress much in favour then, apparently survives in our Medleycote (Deriving from Medley coat) and Medlicott”. However he rather retreats from this opinion in a footnote in which he says “This may be local”. It seems strange that he was not aware of the place name or its connection with the family.
The Family of Medlicott
Addendum to Chapter II
Medlicott Manor Farm.
Mr Edward Medlicott of Sacombe Hall, Herts, who owns a small property at Medlicott has kindly supplied a Photocopy of an article (By Mr Blayney Thomas) subtitled “500 year old Medlicott Farm House is Demolished”. This article does not mention the date of the demolition but it was antecedent to 1953, the date of the construction of a new farm house in its place.
The article begins by reviewing the History of the family from the earliest times and the connection with Haughmond Abbey including the last reference to Medlicott in the Ministers Accounts for 1541-42. The Manor Farm is described as a “Cruck framed hall dating from before 1550 but much altered since 1600 when a first floor and a new roof were inserted together with massive stone chimney stacks”. It is conjectured that that the cross wing at the west end was added at the same time. It is also stated that the external facing of Longmyndian stone rubble, which was added later, concealed the remains of a much older house.
According to a Mr Gaydon, editor of the County History of Shropshire, the medieval hall consisted of a two bay cruck house, with three cruck trusses some 13 feet apart, and like other halls of the period, open from ground to roof with a hole for the escape of smoke. The ground floor plan shows only four moderate sized rooms with the usual massive chimney breast and baking oven. The total length of the habitable portion was about 52 feet and adjoined a more modern construction of the building used for livestock which may have replaced a more ancient building. The article states that the late Richard Medlicott died in 1950 and left two daughters in whom the property is vested. No reason for the demolition of the old building is given except its replacement by a modern farm building.
Addendum to chapter II,
THE PUBLICATION OF BURKES PEERAGE
Much of the genealogical information given in this and subsequent chapters was in part derived from the articles in or prepared for Burkes Landed Gentry and Burkes Peerage, and considerable reliance was placed on the Glascott Pedigree (Prepared by Mr. J.H. Glascott of Ulster’s Office 1888). In March 1965 I received from Burkes Peerage notice of the new edition of Burkes Landed Gentry in four volumes and suggested to the Editor as the family of Medlicott of Dunmurry had severed all connections with Ireland it might be more appropriate if the article on the Family was transferred to one of the English Volumes then in contemplation. With this suggestion he agreed. In fact this was not carried out and when publication ceased, after volume 3 was published in 1972, the omission of any article on the family of Medlicott formerly of Medlicott appeared to eliminate any reference to either branch. However, the family as a whole, appeared to be given a prominent place in the special article by James Lees Milne entitled Landed Properties and Proprietors which was included in the first two volumes and from which the following are excerpts referring to the family.
- “There is something intensely romantic in territorial surnames when the holders are still associated with the places from which they derive like Crauford of Craufordland (the 25th). Craster of Craster, Fulford of Great Fulford, Medlicott of Medlicott or Plowden of Plowden (all incidentally unbroken associations unbroken since the 12th century.
- “Proven descendants in the male line of families which flourished in Saxon times are according to historians three:- Arden, Berkley, and Swinton …. There are a few families still owning estates granted them immediately after the Conquest. Amongst them are Aymoke of Scrivelsby, Berkeley of Berkeley and Shirley of Ettington” …. Gifford of Chillington were not granted Chillington until 1178.
Several other families have held land since the 12th. century, including Tremlett, Tichbourne, Plowden, Fulford, Lucy, Mallett, Medlicott and Saltmarsh. They never ranked as they do not rank to-day, among the great ennobled families – the Cecils, Thynnes, Cavendishes and Comptons who date from the post reformation days, nor even with the Fitzroys, Churchills, Bentinecks and Wellesleys who date from the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. They are older by far than these and less distinguished. The first qualification is explained by the deficiency of the last. Many of them owe their survival to the very lack of past renown by not aspiring to royal favours and they ran no risks of attainder and forfeiture……..”
The following account of a B.B.C. Broadcast is appended because of the mention of the family of Medlicott. The second page of the report has been omitted because there is nothing relevant in it.
Report No. OB. 25. Transmitted on Radio 4 “Today”
Length 2′ 152 Date 3rd. April 1969. Time 7. 15 AM.
Short title Burke’s Landed Gentry.
Brian Johnson: Well now here’s Tim Mathews who’s been looking at a new book.
T. Mathews: It’s not actually a new book, it’s over a hundred years old, But the thing is that volume II of Burke’s Landed Gentry is now lumbering its way into the nation’s libraries. First published in 1833, today’s edition records some 1400 family tree’s.. Crawford of Crawford, Craster of Craster, Medlicott of Medlicott, with their roots deep in the 12th century, they have a sort of massive grandeur. In a preface, James Lee Milne calls the landed gentry of this country the only untitled aristocracy in the world, but in fact what splendid titles they do have.
The Knight of Glynn, the Hereditary Captain of Dunstafnage, the 23rd. Dymoke of Scrolsby. It’s reported that since 1952, some 500 stately homes with claims to architectural merit, have either fallen into ruin or lie deserted. I asked the Editor of Burkes, Mr. Townsend, whether with the gentry not quite so landed, this would mean that future editions of his book will become slimmer and slimmer.
Mr. Townsend: Oh no, because since the first world war its been customary to put in a family that doesn’t own property, preferably under the heading “formerly of” or indeed in the more recent editions without any territorial designation at all, if the family is interesting and their are lots of interesting ancestors and it would be of general interest to people to read the family history.
The third and final volume of the landed Gentry was soon followed (in 1973) by preparations for the publications of Burkes Irish Family Records which superseded the 1958 edition of Burkes Landed Gentry of Ireland. This was compiled with a different background owing to the constant erosion of landed properties in Ireland and severance of the families from their territorial roots but, nevertheless, covers in a most comprehensive manner 514 Irish (or formerly Irish) families. Fortunately, at about this time, Mr Mervyn T. Medlycott (Of the branch Medlycott Bt. of Ven House recorded in Burkes Peerage) who had adopted genealogy as a profession had just completed some research as to the true identity of George Medlicott of Tully (born 1649) the first ancestor of the Dunmurry Branch. Some previous accounts (but not Glascott vide pedigree facing page 8) assumed that the said George was one of five sons of Thomas Medlicott of Abingdon (b.1627) as stated in the article p.118 of the original history . In August 1973 Mr. Mervyn Medlycott wrote as follows:-
“The second reason for my writing is that I feel that I have at last established the origins of George Medlicott of Tully. You may think that it was established that he was the son of Thomas Medlicott, of Abingdon, but that I regret is not the case since a family lawsuit I have examined shows conclusively that James Medlicott of Ven, was Thomas’s eldest son (born in 1658), and that George was not a close relative. I enclose a pedigree of what I am sure is George’s true parentage and ancestry. This as you will see, shows that he was the son of James Medlicott, of Ashtead, Surrey, and Frances Culpeper. My reasons for considering this parentage are as follows. James’s pedigree is fully established but I have not found a reference to George conclusively as his son. However, George’s eldest son James was baptised at St. Mary Magdalen, Old Fish St., in 1674. This was the same parish in which James’s daughter Elizabeth lived between 1660’s and 1690’s with her husband Jeffrey Bliss, citizen and fishmonger and in which James is described as of in his administration in 1665. It is natural that George, when visiting London from Ireland, should stay with his sister. Furthermore not given on my pedigree, for lack of space, is the fact that Frances Culpeper was the 1st. cousin of John, 1st. Lord Culpeper. During the interregnum Lord Culpeper was with Charles II in Holland, and was among the small group in the exile court among which were Ormonde and his son Lord Ossory. Both Culpeper’s son and Ossory married Dutch ladies, and both wives were naturalized on the same day in 1660 after the restoration. I think this indicates a close friendship and possibility that George Medlicott, who was still a minor when his parents died, was placed by his cousin, Lord Culpeper, under the patrimony of Lord Ossory, who presumably obtained for him the Registrarship of Kildare Cathedral. Hence George, giving one of his sons the name of his patron (Lord Ossory may have been the Godfather). Incidentally Thomas Medlicott of Rocketts Castle, later Steward of Ormonde’s estates did not go to Ireland until the 1690’s twenty years after George. I am still continuing the research on this and should be glad to discuss the matter with you, and bring along my papers on it.”
The corrected lineage referred to in the foregoing letter was adopted as the basis for the article on the family in Burkes Irish Family records published in 1976.
This identification is of great importance in that it furnishes the presumptive reason for George Medlicott establishing himself in Ireland. Mr. Glascott had already conjectured that there was an official connection or a very great friendship between George Medlicott and the Earl of Ossory who’s name was born by George’s fifth son. The connections established by Mervyn Medlicott make it the highest degree probable that Lord Culpeper, the first cousin of Frances Medlicott, was instrumental in placing her son George under the Patronage of Ossary whose father the Duke of Ormond, was Lord lieutenant of Ireland.
As to Culpeper himself, who died in 1660, he had a very distinguished career. He was a member of the Long Parliament, Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Master of the Rolls. He fought at Edgehill and in regard to military strategy was an inveterate opponent of Prince Rupert. In August 1645 the King commissioned him to take young Prince Charles (afterwards Charles II) out of the country for his safety. During the exile of Charles II Cromwell, who feared Culpeper’s influence, persuaded Mazarin to expel him from France together with the Duke of Ormonde, and he took refuge in Flanders. In 1658, in correspondence with Hyde he laid down a programme for the restoration and designated General Monk as the proper person to effect it. When Charles II was restored to the throne Culpeper returned to England and died shortly thereafter. John Evelyn’s diary contains several references to the Culpeper family and to Ossory.
As a footnote to the relationship between James Medlicott and the Culpeper family it is of interest to note that in 1913 the vicar of Thornham, Kent, stated that his parish possessed a chalice on which was the inscription “James Medlicott, a good benefactor of this Parish 1632.” The point of this reference is that Thornham was near the home of James’s parents-in-law, the Culpepers.
The following is a copy of the deed (extracted from Eytons History of Shropshire) in which Llewellyn de Medlicott was confirmed in two thirds of Medlicott between 1190 and 1198.
“Sciant Tam presentes quam futuri quod ego Radulphus filius Picoti concessi Leulino de Modlicote et heredibus suis terram suam quam tenet in Modlicote silicet duas partes ville sibi et heredibus suis tenendas de me et heredibus meis libere et quiete quantum ad me pertinent – reddendo 40 denarios et hoc concessu Domini Rogeri de Estuna tali condicione quod si forte ego Radulphus faciam filium meum, primogenitum de Susann militem, vel filiam meam de eadem uxore nuptiis tradam vel ego ipse in carcere cadam, rationabile auxiliam mihi parabit. His testibus Odone de Westbury Willielmo filio Picot Willielmo filio Hodonic, Henrico Hager, Rogero Porcel, Willielmo de Mora, Willielmo de Aqua, Candelano de Kinnerton etc.”
The following is the approximate sense of the deed (as far as a very limited Knowledge of Latin permits.)
“Let all present as well as future (persons) know that I Radulphus son of Picot grant to Lewellin de Modlicott and his heirs, the lands which he holds in Modlicote being two parts (? two thirds) of those lands for himself and his heirs to hold under me and my heirs in free and undisturbed possession as far as I am able to ensure in return for a fee of 40 denarios and this grant (derived from) Lord Roger of Aston is made on condition that if I Radulphus make of my first born son by Susannah my (wife) a soldier, or give in marriage my daughter by my same wife, or I myself am taken prisoner he (Lewellin will render me all reasonable assistance. As witness Odone de Westbury etc.”
(See previous page for reference to Roger de Aston and his Daughter Susannah who married Ralph Fitz Picot.)
Name and identity of the founder of the race.
In regards to Mr William Medlicott’s suggestion, based on the similarity of the coats of arms that the correct spelling may be “Meirion” thus identifying Sir Roger with the descendants of Merion grandson of Cunedda, Lewis’s topographical dictionary of Wales has this to say about Merionethshire :-
“This Cantref received its appelation from its having been the portion of Merion grandson of Cunedda, the latter a Prince of North Britain who came into North Wales in the fifth century to rescue it from some Irish invaders and having succeeded in his enterprise, he divided the recovered territory among his sons and grandsons.”
Any connection of our family with all this is of course pure speculation. I prefer Mr William Medlicott’s second suggestion that the name was derived from the ancient British name of Wenlock Bage which was in fact “Llan Meirion.” Sir Roger de Meirion would then be a place name.
- Lieut. James Medlicott R.N.
The following account of his duel with Lieut. Phillimore was given in the Gentleman’s Magazine Vol. 77 (Dec. 19th. 1807).
“This day a fatal duel took place between Lieut’s. Phillimore and Medlicott on H.M.S. Polyphemus on Haulbowline Island, near Spike Island, at the entrance of Cork Harbour. The former was mortally wounded by the first fire of the latter which he never returned. He expired on board the Polyphemus at 23 years of age. He was the youngest son of the Rev. Joseph Phillimore of Oddestone, Co. Leicester.
At the risk of still further expanding Chapter VI. devoted to the Dunmurry branch of the family (for the length of which apologies have already been made in the introduction.)
I think it appropriate to add to the note on the previous page concerning my father Colonel H.E. Medlicott under whose direction this history of the family was originally prepared in 1938 and who died in 1948.
During the 1914 -18 war he was three times mentioned in Despatches from Sir Douglas Haig for gallant and distinguished services in the field and also by General Monro in the Afghan war of 1919. On retiring from the army his first business appointment was with United Dairies but later his cousin Walter Long (1st. Viscount Long of Wraxall) who when First Lord of the Admiralty had been in close contact with the oil industry, formed an association of oil companies to protect the concessionaire rights of those companies against arbitrary action of foreign governments and Colonel Medlicott took charge of this association. Later, for a short period, he served as deputy chairman of British Controlled Oil fields but eventually joined the Anglo Persian Oil Company (as it then was) as political and public relations advisor during the troubled period which included the cancellation of the concession by the Shah and the subsequent appeal to the league of Nations by the British Government. At the outbreak of the 1939-45 war despite his age of 57, he rejoined the army and was appointed GSO1 (Intelligence) on the staff of Lord Gort (a distant relative by marriage of the Dunmurry Branch – see paragraph 44 of this chapter). The perilous withdrawal of the B.E.F. ended his active service, but having witnessed the devastation caused by burning oil during the bombing of Boulogne he conceived the idea of developing flame weapons, from which arose the creation of the Petroleum Warfare Department of which he was appointed Deputy Director General.
In the following years a flame thrower mounted on Bren carriers and a heavier and more horrific weapon mounted on heavy Tanks (the Basilisk) were developed. Unfortunately no commanding general saw fit to make imaginative use of these new weapons save General McNaughton of the Canadian forces and he used them with great effect against Vaubanns fortifications at Brest and elsewhere.
Whenever they were used in the field they provoked instant surrender by the enemy who did not relish being incinerated in pill boxes.
With the coming of peace Colonel Medlicott resumed his business life but was soon overcome by repeated severe asthma partly brought on by his wartime exertions. After attempts to find a climatic cure in Switzerland, Arizona and South Africa he died at Nairobi on April 11th 1948. In private life he was a man of unbounded energy with a wide circle of friends. He was well known in the Hunting field until he lost an eye through a hunting accident, and thereafter he confined himself to shooting and fishing.
During his service with the BEF three portraits of Colonel Medlicott were painted by R.G. Eves, R.A. official war artist. One was for the government was exhibited at the National Gallery and is believed to be in the possession of the Imperial War Museum. The second was bequeathed by the artist to a collection at Arras France where the portraits were painted. The third is in the possession of my son A.L. Medlicott.
Addendum to Chapter IX Collateral Branches of the Family Medlycott’s of Rocketts Castle.
The lineage of this family has in the 1976 edition of Burkes Irish Family Records been amalgamated with Medlicott of Dunmurry.
In 1968 in the course of a fishing holiday in Ireland I found myself in a hotel named Newport House, County Mayo. Having associated the Mayo home of the Medlycotts with the place name Newport Pratt (which does not now appear in the Gazeteer) I was not expecting to find a street in the township named Medlicott Street and to be told that it was a Medlycott that had begun the building of the present Newport House, a large and fine Georgian Mansion probably remodelled by later owners.
Thomas John Medlycott owned a great estate in Co. Mayo (the manor’s of Borrishool and Newport) consisting it is said of 136,000 acres and 50 miles of sea coast. In a series of very involved transactions these lands passed into the hands of Sir Neal O’Donel who was agent for the estate. An auction by his son John Thomas (d. 25 Apr. 1827) Medlycott (the father being in prison for debt) for recovery of the estate was heard before Lord Chancellor Manners from April 21st to 28th 1809 but was dismissed. O’Donel appears to have given valuable consideration in the form of advance to the plaintiff’s father to the extent of £33589 – 19 – 4. and the father had signed all the necessary documents. Although one of his descendants described the alienation of the estate as a “palpable fraud” it is difficult to see that Thomas John Medlycott had a good case against O’Donel although he claimed an equitable title. It may be significant however that O’Donel did not get awarded costs which may imply that his conduct was not impeccable. Anyhow by extravagances and mismanagement Thomas John Medlycott deserved to lose his property.
As regards Thomas (originally of Binfield Berks) born 1662, the first ancestor of this line, he came to Ireland as secretary to the Duke of Ormonde (the Viceroy). There is a family tradition that when in France he was received by (Louis XIV.) and played cards with him.
(It may be conjectured that the wild country of Mayo, in a perpetual state on insurgency, was not exactly congenial to English settlers and that the Medlycott’s prudently retired to the milder political climate of County Waterford.) What appears to have been a theft by the O’Donels may from their point of view have been the reclamation by a native Irish family what they considered their own.
There has recently come into my possession (given me by Lord Clithero, himself a descendant of Mrs Assheton, daughter of the Hon. William Cockayne and Barbara Hill who assumed as did her mother the name and arms of Medlycott by act of parliament in 1801) some rough genealogical notes of the Medlicotts in Northamptonshire and the families with whom they intermarried. This is, I think, in the handwriting of the late G.E. Cockayne Clarenceux, King of Arms referred to on the foregoing page. In general it confirms the information previously given to my grandfather by Mr. G.E. Cockayne.
There is however a note about the missing identity of Barbara (relict of Collins) wife of Charles Medlicott of Cottingham (d. 1718). She was referred to in writing by Barbara Hill Medlycott (Mr Cockayne’s grandmother) as being the daughter of the Hon. — Smith brother of Lord Carrington. Cockayne worked through the Carrington pedigree but was unable to confirm this, though he stated that his grandmother had a portrait of the “last Lord Carrington” and that there was probably some relationship. The notes also give the parentage of Sergeant Hill (see p. 104). His father was the Rev. Nathaniel Hill, Lord of the Manor of Rothwell where he was buried on the 1st. May 1732. He had previously married the daughter and heiress of Stephen Loddington of Lincolnshire.
Also given are the names of the six (out of ten) surviving daughters of the Hon. William Cockayne and Barbara Hill Medlycott as follows :- Hon. Mrs Austin, Hon Mrs Adams, Hon Mrs John Mansell, Hon. Mrs Maunsell, Mrs Assheton, Hon Mrs Perry. This confirms but adds to the information on the previous page. with them the Medlicott descendants of Charles of Cottingham became extinct, the name having being kept alive for two generations in the female line by Acts of Parliament. In the lineage of both Hill and Medlicott there was a constant failure to produce male heirs.
As regards Rushton Hall which had previously belonged to the 5th. Viscount Cullen (d. 1802) father of the Hon. William Cockayne, we have in our possession two pictures of this beautiful and architecturally interesting house which is believed to have been considered for municipal ownership and was to have been used as an old people’s home.
There was more recently a newspaper report of the discovery, during excavations at Rushton Hall, of a hidden subterranean hiding place of the sacred vessels for the celebration of mass in penal days when the house was owned by a notable recusant family, the Treshams, one of whom Sir Frances Tresham, was implicated in the gunpowder plot and died in the Tower of London.
Barbara Cockayne Medlicott survived her husband by 30 years and resided at Rushton Hall until its sale to W.H. Hope of Amsterdam for £140,000, in 1825 or 1828. This was rather a large sum in those days, but presumably could be afforded by the purchaser if as is likely, he was a banker in the Amsterdam firm which bears the name of Hope.
Sundry Occurrences of the Name
The following can be added to the books in which the name occurs in fiction:-
“Mad Medlicott” Article in the English Illustrated Magazine by Grant Allen, June 1983.
“Under Salisbury Spire” by Mrs Marshall
A Miss Jane Medlicott is mentioned in a book called “The Priest” by Harold Begbie.
In a recent book, subtitled “Great Country House Disasters” By Hugh Vickers (Arthur Baker Ltd. London) there is an amusing account of the antics of a Sir Thomas Medlicott. He spent the first night of his honeymoon staying with the Duke of Sutherland at Dunrobin in the early 1920’s after his marriage to an American heiress Miss Gemma Franklin of Philadelphia. After a tremendous dinner the 65 year old Sir Thomas, instead of escorting his wife to the bedroom, disappeared. After a prolonged search at the insistence of his young wife he was found hours later driving the engine of the Duke’s private railway.
I have not been able to identify the Sir Thomas Medlicott in question. Perhaps the whole incident is fictional!
The list is by no means exhaustive but none of the remainder appear to be of particular interest.”
My great uncle Walter Edward Medlicott married the grand-daughter of Bishop Sumner. There is an interesting tale about the rapid promotion of Bishop Sumner and his appointment to the princely See of Winchester.
It is said that when a mere curate he was tutor to and accompanied on the grand tour of Europe Lord Mount Charles the son of Lady Conyngham, the fat mistress of George IV, called by her critics the “Vice Queen” and of whom Princess Lieven said “Hoe extraordinary when the object (of love) is Lady Conyngham. Not an idea in her head; not a work to say for herself; nothing but a hand to accept pearls and diamonds and an enormous balcony to wear them on.
When in Geneva Lord Mount Charles in some way compromised a beautiful young lady of good family named Jenny Fanny Barnabine Maunoir. Sumner, the tutor, accepted the responsibility for this and retrieved the situation by marrying the lady himself in 1815. Highclere was made a Canon of Windsor despite the objections of Lord Liverpool the Prime Minister and the fact that the appointment “rocked the Ministry”. He was then made Bishop of Llandaffe in 1826 and of Winchester in 1827.
An illustrate magazine recently published the portrait of Bishop Sumner in his splendid robes of Garter Prelate which hangs in Farnborough Castle. A portrait of his most elegant wife (in pastel) by Bouvrier of Geneva dated 1815 is in the possession of a descendent, Mrs Joan Alers Hankey.